BrokenMomTina Registered: 01/02/06
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Reply with quote | #1 | I am a preacher's daughter who has raised 4 great kids... only something went wrong the day after Christmas. My 21 year old son sat me down to tell me he is gay. This has been the worst week of my life. I have raised all my children in church... I just don't know what went wrong or what I did wrong. He currently attends Saint Louis University (a very liberal university)... and although he says he still loves the Lord and has a personal relationship with Jesus, he says in his opinion... it ok to be a "gay Christian"... What am I suppose to do? I am normally the one who fixes everything... I have a very influential and demanding job... I'm always in control... but this last week, I thought about suicide and I have to take sleeping pills at night to sleep. I can't eat, sleep... I can't even breathe... I feel like I am dieing and I think his death would have been easier on me than walking through this valley. Is there ANY hope? __________________ Broken-Mom Tina |
| | slowlycomingback Registered: 04/25/06
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Reply with quote | #2 | hi tina,
first of all, suicide is never the answer and it is never a way out, i know it hurts but you can't let it make you hurt others. gay tendencies are very common, more so than most people think or would admit to. temptation is not sin and there is nothing wrong with being tempted to be gay (jesus was tempted to sin in the wilderness) sin comes when we act on that temptation. to be actively gay would be like accepting that you are an alchohalic and desiding that you can't fix it so you just don't try. god dosn't expect us to fix our problems he just wants us to give them to him. i am limited at what i can tell you because i don't know the full situation but from what i know, you didn't do anything wrong. what you should probably do now is love him, as a son and a brother in Christ. make sure he knows that you love him as much now as you always have and nothing he could ever do could seperate him from you and just because you love him that does not mean that it is ok to be gay or that you accept his CHOSEN homosexuality. and don't worry (james 1) God is in control if we let him. if you truly rasied him in the bible then he will go back to it eventually. and if he has a true relationship with God and is a fellow christian then he should not be able to live with his sin. please email me, i would like to know you it works out.
"sometimes silence is the loudest thing you can hear"
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| | monkey Registered: 04/17/06
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Hi, I can't imagine what you are going through right now, despite this, I do feel for you. I have been visiting this site for the past week and have registered here myself. I have my own problems going on but I also love to see what others are experiencing. I hope what i have to say now is helpful for you and anyone else who reads it. I was gay until some 11 years ago. My parents were and still are very committed Christians and I feel they were not able to adaquately manage the situation when they became aware of my sexuality. They sent me to Church. I had to go. They limited my free time and money (I worked full time and earnt approx $450.00 per week), they read my mail and regualrly checked my room and would not let me associate with certain friends. I wasn't able to do anything spontaneous. They thwarted and stifled my creativity. Most sadly, through this, they drove me away. I moved out of home within weeks of turning 17 and went and did my own things. I was very ostracised from them. I was stuck as a young person who was falling apart with no supports feeling totally unloved. I was a bad person and God would give up on me if I did not change. It seemed to me that wanted my parent, church and others wanted was perfection. I couldn't attain perfection so I turned my back on it all. Within 12 months, I was going to gay clubs, bath houses and engaging in risk taking behaviour and acting out sexually whenever I could. My life revolved around it. I kept all this secret from everyone around me. I became someone else and lost touch with myself. I became who and what everyone else wanted. I felt that I had nowehere to turn. There is much more to story. In essence, your son needs you and he needs your acceptance of him. It is ok to disagree with his choice and not accept that choice, but please don't reject your son. He might not admit it, but he needs you and that love that you give. If there are other significant males in his life right now, good and strong men, he needs them too. I don't know if this is useful for you. I guess in some ways I can relate to both you and your son. As a married man, I can relate to what my parents experienced and how they tried to help (which really didn't and actually made things worse), but in trying to help, it was their love that fueled and motivated them. Let love fuel and motivate you but can I also encourage you to dialogue with your son and to ask him what he wants of you, how it is that you can support him. It will be a tumultuous time for him in his identity as a man. Love him back to God. Encouarge his relationship with God. If he truly loves God and has willed his life to God, he will be restored. Be assured that God will work, even if you can't see it. It won't happen according to your timeframe and God will work so differently to you or I. I would be happy to chat with you or your son further or you may choose not to and that is okay too. Please don't blame yourself. Parents do the best job that they know how to do. He hasn't chosen this path right now becasue you've not parented him properly. From what you have said he has a love for God - that means the most important part of parenting has been done. Now as an adult he has to work out rest of who he is. Hold him up and be an example as best you can, be there for when he needs his mom and keep the light on so he can see the way back to port. Thoughts and prayers, Tim |
| | momsammi Registered: 05/08/06
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Maybe you can help me too? My son told me within the last week that he is gay. He won't tell his father, brother, uncle, etc. In fact he has no intention of letting them know. He hangs out with a group that I think believes it's cool to be "gay". He is 20 now so that leaves me out of the grounding him and restricting him realm. He is a good person. I want for him to go to church and realize that this is not the belief I intended for him. His brother is very dedicated to his Christian group - but he does not want him to know this at all. I just need someone that understands that right now I am torn, numb, sad, frightened, upset. Any words of encouragement and prayers are appreciated. |
| | Jonny Registered: 05/28/06
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I am gay man myself, and i understand this must be hard for you. But do you have any idea how hard this was for your son. Discovering that he as gay, going through denial and all the other changes until he was finally able to accept himself. Ye seem to be talking about it like its a life style choice, its not. If your gay there is nothing you can do about it. Sure you can pretend that its not there or abandon your son but that will only tear your family apart and in the end your son will still be gay, so it just makes matters worse. what you need to do is tell your son that you still love him and accept him. Its your son that needs the support. Also sending your son to a christian group claiming to be able to change your son is not a good idea. I went to one of them and trust me all it dose is make you feel wrong again and you find yourself back in the closet. Personally i don't understand how your not gay anymore monkey, because that just dosen't happen, and deep down there somewhere you know it. I can see that Christianity is a big part of your life, and i do realize what the bible says, but it also tell the story of Ruth, a lesbian and another story about two gay men not to sure what its called. If you read the bible properly and understood it fully you would then realize that you shouldn't take completely word for word. Read this, it will make you understand better( the writer is being sarcastic) Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors tell the zoning people. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. What do you think would be a fair price for her? She's 18 and starting college. Will the slave buyer be required to continue to pay for her education by law ? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense and threaten to call Human Resources. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? ....Why can't I own Canadians? Is there something wrong with than due to the weather? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project ? What is a good day to start? Should we begin with small stones? Kind of lead up to it? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. I mean, a shrimp just isn't the same as a you-know-what. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses fall within some exception? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? The Mafia once took out Albert Anastasia in a barbershop, but I'm not Catholic; is this ecumenical thing a sign that it's OK? I) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. I am sorry to be so blunt but that is the reality of the bible, and that you shouldn't take everything it say so seriously. If your son is a good person that dosen't hurt anyone else then that makes him a good christian. And him being gay doesn't hurt anyone. So basically what i am tring to say is just love your son and accept him for who he is and forget about the bible for five minutes, if you truly love him you should be able to accept him..... p.s. i hope i helped and i am not telling you to turn your back on your faith, i am just saying don't let it run your life and ruin your relationship with your son...because god defiantly wouldn't want that |
| | Scott2002 Registered: 07/02/06
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I hate getting into religious debates but I came across this post searching for issues I have with someone I care greatly about. I am Gay myself, but not your gay Steet man. I don't LIVE in the Gay world, but I am also not ashamed of who I am. A person does not choose to be Gay, who would choose it? When you have peopel filled with hate and many biggots who always have a comment of hate to share. I do worry about our youths who come out and think you need to make a scene. THey feel they need to hit the "Gay Scene" to explore their sexuality. Rather then taking a deep look in their heart at what they honestly need. Men can be beasts, and oftn care nothing about their 1 night stand, and I wish young guys would think first. There are good men out there, those who base there emotions on the need for a life long partner to share life with. I was in a 12 year relationship, however it wasn't perfect. I was 12 hard years with a person who wanted to be monogomous, but was also very controlling and believed only his opinion mattered (I know woman have the same issues with guys). The lack of respect and love caused me to fall for someone else. However I know for certain from his expressions and words e is also gay. It's not only his body actions, but what he says. I found myself falling for him, and it had nothing to do with sexuall attraction. To be honest I am not sexually atracted to him. However I am attracted to his heart and personality. He asked me certain personal questions relating to my love life. Asking if I was dating anyone, about my beliefs in a relationship, and other things a "straight as they come" man would not ask a gay man. I have hid my feelings from him, I don't want him to ever feel uncomfortable. I care for him in ways most don't ever think of. I have his needs above my own, and if that means he can't retun my love, then so be it. However I can't switch off my feelings like a light. I called him recently and asked him why he asked what he did and if the questions were because of personal feelings. He said he didn't mean to make me uncomfortable and that he is as straight as they come. To be honest there is not one person that works with him that would believe this. I am not certain if the way I confonted him made him put a defense up. However it hit me hard. Loosing all hope to share my life with him. He comes from a Jewish family. I know how some Jewish families are very strict while others very lax on gay issues. He told me during our initial talk he was dating a woman for 6 years (after he was shocked I was with the same man for 12 years). However He isn't aware I know the woman, and isn't aware I know that he couldn't be intimate with her. I cna see the tell tell signs from him, and also see the typical closet case denial syndrome that is greatly affecting him. I hurts me that it hurts him, and I cna clearly sense it as well as see it. To me I want to hold him, kiss him, spend time with him and sex would never be needed. He has special qualities so many miss in him. I see them clearly. Being Gay isn't about sex, not for all of us. Keep this in mind when you have children who are gay. Your child is gay. It IS NOT a fad. It IS NOT a choice.God has created peopel in various looks, religions, backgrounds, and feelings (If we wre all the same this would be a boring world and the media would have nothing to blow out of porportion). What is important for your son is to realize he won't meet a decent person at a club. He doen't need to be the gay Queen of the week. He doesn't need to rub it into people's. Respect goes both ways. People who think you can choose to be straight are kidding themselves. I have spent time with such groups and did numerous reports on them. I had to shake my head at how rediculous it becomes. They tell you you can be "NORMAL" however these groups are far from normal. The amount of hate taught is rediculous. 98% of those "Treated" continue to be gay. Many live a fake life and only end up being more dishonest in a relationship, sleeping with more men on the side then they would if they took the time to find a life partner. I have seen so many "Treated" people totally screw up their lives. One individual tried to be "Straight" because of fear of famly reaction. He had a good guy in his life but dropped him because of the quaked cracker group and went on his journey as a "Normal" man. He married, had a child, but was never happy. He slepted with men later on the side and because of living this LIE commited suicide, leaving his child without a father. Here is the issue. He lived a fake ife, which wasn't fair to the woman he married as well. Living in the closet and dating woman to hide your true feelings hurts you, and the woman you date. It isn't fair either way. It's now double deception. Biblical battles really annoy me. This bible says that while the Koran says another and the Tora yet another. I watch text change with the times, and when old found text doesn't contain current text, you begin to wonder when it was added and by whom. Take a look at gods name. Written as Yawe translated as Jehova. Yet some religions remove it totally and simply replace it with the general term of god (from agote). People argue over who god is and his name, is it jsut god, is it Jehova is is yawe, Jehowa, jewah, Jawah, Allah? Did anyoen ever stop to think that they are the same name? What the heck do you think you are saying when you sing Allahuah or Hal'alluah? You are saying ALL HAIL JEHOVA. Where the jews really looked down on by god? Or did other developing beliefs change it to their need so their belief is THE WORD. Christians and Muslims are both quulity of changing it to their view. Does the bible really forbid homsexuality or as ancient text shows non monogomous relationships? Is it jsut the act of anal intercouse or is it a relationship with anothe man altogether. Yet old text shows the bondign love of 2 men in gods eyes, but later text contridicts it. THe problem with the text is anyone caul have claimed the vision of god. I can write a bible today and if unburied 8000 years from now, it could become fact. Your son is Gay. He will be gay. He is still and will always be your son. THe better choice is not fighting yoursef, but hoping he finds someone who will love him for him and be in a relationship where the act of sex is not the foundation. Tell your son ,from me, a Gay man, to not look for love in the clubs, it will come to him when its right. Tell him to get his head out of his pants and focus on his life. If he wants someone to love him, he better take it slow and take the LOOONG road and make sure he knows the person first. __________________ Do we know the truth as written by god or the truth as written by man? |
| | depressedseverly Registered: 09/18/06
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Quote: Originally Posted by BrokenMomTina I am a preacher's daughter who has raised 4 great kids... only something went wrong the day after Christmas. My 21 year old son sat me down to tell me he is gay. This has been the worst week of my life. I have raised all my children in church... I just don't know what went wrong or what I did wrong. He currently attends Saint Louis University (a very liberal university)... and although he says he still loves the Lord and has a personal relationship with Jesus, he says in his opinion... it ok to be a "gay Christian"... What am I suppose to do? I am normally the one who fixes everything... I have a very influential and demanding job... I'm always in control... but this last week, I thought about suicide and I have to take sleeping pills at night to sleep. I can't eat, sleep... I can't even breathe... I feel like I am dieing and I think his death would have been easier on me than walking through this valley. Is there ANY hope?
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| | depressedseverly Registered: 09/18/06
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Quote: Originally Posted by depressedseverlyQuote: Originally Posted by BrokenMomTina I am a preacher's daughter who has raised 4 great kids... only something went wrong the day after Christmas. My 21 year old son sat me down to tell me he is gay. This has been the worst week of my life. I have raised all my children in church... I just don't know what went wrong or what I did wrong. He currently attends Saint Louis University (a very liberal university)... and although he says he still loves the Lord and has a personal relationship with Jesus, he says in his opinion... it ok to be a "gay Christian"... What am I suppose to do? I am normally the one who fixes everything... I have a very influential and demanding job... I'm always in control... but this last week, I thought about suicide and I have to take sleeping pills at night to sleep. I can't eat, sleep... I can't even breathe... I feel like I am dieing and I think his death would have been easier on me than walking through this valley. Is there ANY hope?
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| | depressedseverly Registered: 09/18/06
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Quote: Originally Posted by BrokenMomTina I am a preacher's daughter who has raised 4 great kids... only something went wrong the day after Christmas. My 21 year old son sat me down to tell me he is gay. This has been the worst week of my life. I have raised all my children in church... I just don't know what went wrong or what I did wrong. He currently attends Saint Louis University (a very liberal university)... and although he says he still loves the Lord and has a personal relationship with Jesus, he says in his opinion... it ok to be a "gay Christian"... What am I suppose to do? I am normally the one who fixes everything... I have a very influential and demanding job... I'm always in control... but this last week, I thought about suicide and I have to take sleeping pills at night to sleep. I can't eat, sleep... I can't even breathe... I feel like I am dieing and I think his death would have been easier on me than walking through this valley. Is there ANY hope?
Hi, wow your week sounds exactly like mine. The only difference is my son doesn't know I know. I took him away to his college and was suspecting he'd been sneaking around about something. I did some investigating and found out he's currenly having a gay relationship. He's been active in the church and had even given sermons before. He was the class president, most likely to succeed...ect... I am just devasted. I am a divorced mother, so I am blaming myself. I don't date or anything. I thought I was doing what was best for my son. Now I wonder if I should have remarried so he'd have a male role model since his father wasn't in his life too much. Now I don't know whether to wait until he tells me or let him know I know. I felt like I was all along going through this. We could cry on each others shoulder if you want and maybe somehow we can get through this. I even want to move out of town because I dont' want anyone to ever know?? |
| | depressedseverly Registered: 09/18/06
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jonny I am gay man myself, and i understand this must be hard for you. But do you have any idea how hard this was for your son. Discovering that he as gay, going through denial and all the other changes until he was finally able to accept himself. Ye seem to be talking about it like its a life style choice, its not. If your gay there is nothing you can do about it. Sure you can pretend that its not there or abandon your son but that will only tear your family apart and in the end your son will still be gay, so it just makes matters worse. what you need to do is tell your son that you still love him and accept him. Its your son that needs the support. Also sending your son to a christian group claiming to be able to change your son is not a good idea. I went to one of them and trust me all it dose is make you feel wrong again and you find yourself back in the closet. Personally i don't understand how your not gay anymore monkey, because that just dosen't happen, and deep down there somewhere you know it. I can see that Christianity is a big part of your life, and i do realize what the bible says, but it also tell the story of Ruth, a lesbian and another story about two gay men not to sure what its called. If you read the bible properly and understood it fully you would then realize that you shouldn't take completely word for word. Read this, it will make you understand better( the writer is being sarcastic) Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors tell the zoning people. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. What do you think would be a fair price for her? She's 18 and starting college. Will the slave buyer be required to continue to pay for her education by law ? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense and threaten to call Human Resources. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? ....Why can't I own Canadians? Is there something wrong with than due to the weather? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project ? What is a good day to start? Should we begin with small stones? Kind of lead up to it? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. I mean, a shrimp just isn't the same as a you-know-what. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses fall within some exception? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? The Mafia once took out Albert Anastasia in a barbershop, but I'm not Catholic; is this ecumenical thing a sign that it's OK? I) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. I am sorry to be so blunt but that is the reality of the bible, and that you shouldn't take everything it say so seriously. If your son is a good person that dosen't hurt anyone else then that makes him a good christian. And him being gay doesn't hurt anyone. So basically what i am tring to say is just love your son and accept him for who he is and forget about the bible for five minutes, if you truly love him you should be able to accept him..... p.s. i hope i helped and i am not telling you to turn your back on your faith, i am just saying don't let it run your life and ruin your relationship with your son...because god defiantly wouldn't want that I truely appreciate your writing. I want to support my son so bad and now I keep thinking of the way I use to feel about what the bible says. I think about all the times I used to preach about what I thought the bible meant with gays. I was so wrong. My son is one of the biggest Christians I've ever met. He listens to Christian music and works at camps. He never sees any bad in anyone, like I do. So how can I say God created you, which is gay, and now you will be punished for the way you feel? God is not that cruel. He made us all with flaws, some are just harder to accept in society than others. My question is do I let him know I know he is gay and I love him and support him or do I wait for him to tell me? I'm really confused what to do. Thanks and God bless you Always! |
| | natashaac280 Registered: 07/04/09
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I have a son who just turned 12 years of age and he told me that he is bi i like to had died we haven't spoken in about a 2 week period since children services took him but I need to know if he really is going to be a gay man running around are is he to confused to know the difference in his sexuality It actually scares me cause I don't know what to do. He doesn't have a father around and when i told his dad what he said his dad called him a fag what do i do. |
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